Many small local charities are struggling to make the shift from grant-dependency to financial freedom, and to access the opportunities that creates for vocal capaigning and innovative service delivery.

In this interview, Deven Pillay, CEO of Harrow Mencap, help to navigate that journey by talking through what it takes to grow from a small, overwhelmingly grant-dependent local charity, to a £2m, strong, independent organisation, with real influence, campaigning for change and actively shaping the future of local service delivery.

Running time 09:33

Martyn Drake interviews Deven Pillay about campaigning, service delivery and using clear business thinking to achieve big charitable objectives.

“Things don’t happen just because you think it and want it. You have to drive that agenda. To make things happen you have to bring in business principles.” Deven Pillay